I always say I'm two years behind on everything in poetry, so I just read this flarf sampler at JACKET...
It's here...
http://jacketmagazine.com/30/index.shtml
Feature: Flarf
Gary Sullivan: Introduction
Anne Boyer: Three Poems: A Vindication of the Rights of Women / Mom’s Undiminished Lamb Jacket / Everything Nice Has a Crafted Satin Finish
Chickee Chickston: Three Poems: My Mary Oliver / Truckin’ Poem / My Kangaroo
Jordan Davis: Three poems: On an 87 Ford Taurus Left Taillight / Poems About Me / Pablo Escobar Shopping T-Shirt
Katie Degentesh: Three poems: I Loved My Father / No One Cares Much What Happens to You / I Sometimes Tease Animals
Benjamin Friedlander: Three Poems: Galang / Why Do Jews Reject Jesus as Their Savior? / When a Cop Sees a Black Woman
Drew Gardner: Three poems: I Am «So» Stupid / Norman Mailer / Dividing My Time
Nada Gordon: Three poems: Abnormal Discharge / Lick My Face / ‘A Gumby episode’
Rodney Koeneke: Three poems: The Adorno Corollary / Europe. Memory. Squid Parts. Grace. / Otto of Rose and Lavender
Michael Magee: Two excerpts: from My Angie Dickinson / Fascist Fairytales #6
Sharon Mesmer: Two poems: Juan Valdez Has a Little Juan Valdez (i.e., Energy Cannon) in His Pants / Squid Versus Assclown / At Princess Olga’s
K. Silem Mohammad: Three Poems: ‘The swans come hither in great numbers’ / Goldmine / Anti-Ass
Tim Peterson: Three Poems: Unmade Arts / From the Gecko / Biggest Dichter
Rod Smith: Three poems: What’s happening to My Bottom (part 3) / What is Happening to My Bottom? (s’appelle Charles the Bald) / The Exposition of the Question of the Meaning of Being
Christina Strong: Two Poems: Don’t prufrock me! / You need a valium (or «bored with blogs»)
Gary Sullivan: Two plays: Gray Matter / PPL in a Depot
Tarzan: Tarzan Workshop
Okay, here's one reader's reception of these poems.
Cum grano salis. Or just cum.
I must have been there before some time back, or else I read some of these poems elsewhere because some were definitely familiar to me.
The problem with most of the poems is that they seemed to be trying desperately to be funny, and they weren't funny for this reader. They were more intellectuals trying to be funny kind of funny.
And that's rarely funny.
One really begins to think, maybe many poets really are just bored with life. Maybe poetry too easily devolves into a barroom klatsch after a certain age. Stock traders run together too. And construction workers. All those cows in The Far Side cartoons of old. Well, you get the idea.
Nobody say bovine spongiform encephalopathy.
The ones that I really enjoyed reading most were Nada's and Gary's work. Big surprise...I've been enjoying their writing since long before flarf existed...from Gary's Imaginary Writer's Survey in Talisman and his book How to Proceed in the Arts, to the fascinating work Nada was creating back when she edited the beautiful Aya and wrote poems inflected by her life in Japan.
Here, Nada's sensibility and luscious language stay themselves even as they adapt themselves to the syntactical and goofy deformations required by this party game, erm artistic movement.
Nada's poems collected here are funny, but they are also very sensuous, shapely, palate-pleasing language and imagery at the same time.
Her Gumby synopsis (the third poem in her selections) actually retains a feeling of Japanese poetry, oddly enough. At least it does for this reader, anyway.
I think it's all about the last line of that prose poem, which is rather Buddhist-transcendent even if it's taking place in the world of schlock Claymation.
Her first, strongly bodily poem (clearly generated by worried messages left on a message board where medical problems are shared and addressed) reads like a horrid meditation of what is entailed in physical incarnation...rather like a deva or eastern divinity mocking human frailty as she catalogues the various ingresses of mortality. Spiritual and corporeal ecdysiast does a striptease in which she is stripping off the flesh.
Some of the poems seemed to have in common a horror at the corporeal, this horror of incarnation, which might actually bespeak a humorous resonance with and cognizance of the fact that much of this writing is being generated by the bodiless. There might be egolessness-envy going on.
Gary Sullivan has always been a natural literary satirist, so one senses this movement isn't going to crimp him one bit. His contribution is very funny and very trenchant, which is what one expects of the guy by now. And he makes great visual art.
But the writers who are all sounding interchangeable? They clearly haven't found a way to "toggle" back and forth between their own styles and the "flarf" exigencies. That's my real disappointment with most of flarf.
Because if they don't have other styles or other-minded work, they could be easily replaced. Or they may just find themselves simply obviated, de trop, when the "flarf moment" is over.
Do you want flarf with that?
Are the flarfists going to "let in" every fifteen year old boy who thinks this is genius, and can clearly "hang" with this easy methodology?
(Maybe we are already post-flarf, or post-post-flarf and this question is already irrelevant. I don't live in New York or California.)
Or will they gingerly explain to any flarf aspirants about "branding," putting in time," "literary dues," and then gingerly remove his hand from their co-op shoulders?
I also thought Katie Degentish's suite of poems was really very good. Her poems seem to be making fun of the lyric, and they were post-lyric, yet they retained a sort of empathy, oddly enough. So they remained human even as they toggled past it.
Rodney Koenke's pieces weren't bad either and did have a cachet.
There are poets here whose non-flarf work I have enjoyed (Rod Smith, Jordan Davis) but their contributions here just didn't do it for me.
As funny goes, Sharon Mesmer's middle poem "Squid Versus Assclown" is hilarious. It reminded me a bit of Tao Lin actually! Maybe because of all his squid drawings, and because "assclown" seems like a word custom-made for Lin repetition.
Oh, and Tim Peterson's work was unavailable when I visited tonight, so I have no idea what he contributed. The link doesn't work any longer. Maybe somebody tell JACKET lol.
Unless he was Auf'ed from flarf or something.
Tuesday, October 14, 2008
Flarf Sampler at Jacket
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"But the writers who are all sounding interchangeable?"
Let's take this argument outside, shall we? *she says as she slings her head back and downs the rest of her tequila*
Outside... now...
:p
ultimately life-affirming
Hello, Angela my dear.
I think you are my Morticia and I am your Gomez.
Share your tequila. It's not nice to tease like that.
Hello, Ryan Manning.
I like you.
I'm sorry I couldn't post your one comment on my other blog you left.
I wasn't being a "difficult bitch."
I simply no longer remember the password to do anything on that blog. So it's frozen. Even global warming will not change it.
But I am glad you were here at 3:07.
You exist in my universe.
I think about you when I am being paranoid about who stole my sunflowers or wondering why certain glasses seem to never give up that ice tea color as I scrub them.
You confuse me though, sometimes, because I think you are Nicholas Manning.
But you are not.
How do things like that happen?
I will go mull it now.
Right after I make sure that spider "stayed down."
Or vice versa, Angela.
You're such a man.
You and Gertrude Stein.
C'mere.
After leaving and then returning to the flarf list a few times, Tim finally left for good a year or so ago.
He is also the mastermind behind the Tarzan Workshop, btw, which is still up.
I don't know why the link to his work under his own name isn't working. He may have pulled his poems, or there may just be an HTML problem. I'll ask John Tranter, and if it is an HTML issue, he can fix it.
Most--more than 90%--of the people on the list had been writing and publishing poetry for years, even decades before we got together, and a thorough reader can see just how much of their own sensibilities etc. are retained in the flarflist stuff they've done since that earlier work.
Hi Gary.
You find "flarf" related things fast.
Have a good or great day.
Depending on how much cognitive dissonance that might cause in a culture like this one.
I always try to be a "thorough" (or THOROW?) reader of all my contemporaries.
And the ones that came before that.
And the ones who drew pictures before that.
And the onew who drew them after that.
Then one discovers some books can hold things up when configured in interesting shapes in a room...
And that's the beginning of the end...
FLARF IS THE HOLY GHOST VALENTINE
How you can recognize
often the ground shit
we stand in
has wings that creak
pursuing some plea
and yet giving us
something to push against
who wants to pull us under
if we must say
what we’re afraid of
as everyone looks around
will we go blind
not from failure to come
but from refusal to arrive?
Peter, can you please write a WANNABE GANGSTA FAGGOT VALENTINE?
Would that be too Fassbinderish to ask you to do that?
xo B.
Peter, can you please write a WANNABE GANGSTA FAGGOT VALENTINE?
Would that be too Fassbinderish to ask you to do that?
xo B.
Peter, can you please write a WANNABE GANGSTA FAGGOT VALENTINE?
Would that be too Fassbinderish to ask you to do that?
xo B.
What's that X song..."I must not think bad thoughts...what is this world coming to?"
I love X...I miss them..and I just realized they are NOT on my MEDIA PLAYER..which is criminal...now I have a project for the next hour...
I have to stop hanging out at blogs where only straight white males post comments...
It's bad for my anti-hierarchical, anti-hegemonic gnawing disorder...
Don't worry, Bill. I am a non-white male, in ur comment box, shakin' things up. Although you you did call me a man. I'm only a swaggering, bad Italian spaghetti western phalli, ready to fight everyone in the barroom, when I drink tequila. You said Gertrude Stein. That's cool. I don't know how many duels she was challenged to in her time, though. Not many, I'll bet. She was the challenger, not the challengee.
Here is an interesting scraping of the Flarf debate that's a bit short but pithy all the same:
http://tinyurl.com/3qakdd
You'll see my two cents.
I like to fight on both sides of the fence.
Isn't that just like a genre-confused she poet?
Angela,
I like to think when the Pods come (wait..they're already here!) that you and I will somehow manage to be the Veronica Cartwright character (isn't she the bestest fringe character in Hollywood ever...to get to do Twilight Zone at eight or nine and then just keep on that path forever...that's a biography I want to read!) and at least make it to the final credits...
But I think I might start buying that "go to sleep' rap they deliver...that "no more wars, pain, etc. shite they're selling..."
You will need to spit milk in my face at that point or something, okay?
And then I will "come to my senses" and say "holy shit! who are these fucking creatures that are gonna take away our monkey teeth and Springer? fuck that sheeuht!"
And then we'll take our some plants.
angry gangsta middleaged faggot style.
I'll channel my inner "tranny trash rage.'
It will be a woeful day for philodendrons.
thanks for the link. when i feel critical, critical, i want to get critical...let me hear your ethos talk...i'll read it...
;-)
Now you got me hearing that laurie anderson thing in my head..."isn't it. just like. a woman.....?"
that stein thing she did way back on Big Science.
I really love that "problems" clip on YouTube.
One of the best things I've seen on there in ages....
"I'll channel my inner "tranny trash rage.'
It will be a woeful day for philodendrons."
BWAH HAH HAH!!!!
Maybe we could be co-narrators for the NEW Twilight Zone, the one that comes after this phase of civilization. That would be soooo excellent!
I mean that "Experts" thing she does on YouTube...about problems though...
was that Lincoln Center?
if so, mad props...
i'm so there...
Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to channel. With a touch of a couple of those trashy Top 40 tunes that share that type of phrasing.
And what Gary said is true... an attentive reader can tell the differences in each Flarf poet's style. I was Flarfing, or using Flarf techniques, before I knew Flarf existed. It was something that all came together about the same time, that was meant to happen. In other words, if someone hadn't flarfed first, someone else would have flarfed. And we would still have flarf. Perhaps not under the same name.
That's one of the points I was going to make in a more detailed conversation, out behind the bar, where I was gonna open a can o' whoop ass on ya.
Smack me.
Use the hairbrush now.
Do it like momma.
Then the enema.
Make me hold it to the last note.
Then the big chest that smells of cedars of Lebanon.
I love that!
Then the purple crayon.
Can I sit beside you in your big chair?
ROTFLMFAO!!!
One of the most perceptive assessments of Flarf that I've seen so far. Thank you!
I requested that my poems be removed from the site.
I'm relieved not to be part of Flarf anymore. I decided that I wanted the freedom to frame my own work rather than having a (what I saw as fairly limited) manifesto provide those parameters for me.
Well, hello Tim!
I haven't had the pleasure of reading your poetry, but I must say I'm always impressed with anyone that walks away from a "feeding trough," for whatever reason.
You come across as a nice guy.
I didn't like the way Gary didn't say "hi" to me.
People that don't say "hi" scare me.
It was too impresario-like.
Diaghilev was a creep.
((((Tim whom I don't know))))))))
I like artists willing to cut off their own tentacles or shoot themselves in the (flarfy or whatever) foot...
it gives me hope that it's really a struggle and not a shoo-in....
we're really outside everything, aren't we?
but "we" might be there at the same time...
without a movement. or anything.
xo b
Thanks Bill. Nice to meet you, too. Yes, my work is all about cutting off my tentacles, so to speak. Send me your address at tscotpeterson@gmail.com, and I'll send you a copy of my book.
OMFG, i typed a few words about flarf and i get dozens of comments.
I type about the adorable Hoschie and Herr Hildezart and nobody says boo!
I'll email you. But if I don't like your book will you hunt me down and kill me b/c you have my address?
I don't like 98 plus percent of poetry so your odds are not good.
Does that sound mean? It's just my jah-jah-jadedness.
I'll email you it but I am fast with a knife, Tim, so if you are an assassin be forewarned you will be fighting on MY terrain..and I have it structured....
But cutting off your tentacles sounds promising. We all have those fuckers...
Scott Peterson? OMG didn't he kill Lacy on Christmas Eve...
Lacey?
i'm sending you an emu now.
You can tell me all about the psychopathic poets you met in private...
We will do a LIFETIME movie...
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